the fiscal cliff is a name that the media came up with, but some of us have been saying for years, you have got to stop the out of control federal spending or you will end up at this point, we're there. >> i just want to the remind folks of something you said about the middle class tax cuts, i just want to the play that. >> in my view, we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000, we should just take them out of the discussion right now. >> he has his idea, i don't want to raise taxes on anybody. >> it seems to me now this is the split inside the republican caucus -- >> i don't think so. i think there's more discussion about tactics than it is any different. none of us want to raise the rates on anybody, but the rates on everybody go up at the end of the month. since we degree with the democrats on 98% of the american people, to me, i would just get that off the table now so they don't worry about it. i the those people are the president's leverage. it's the democrats going around screaming your taxes will go up if republicans don't agree, let